As I wrote earlier, there is still some uncertainty about locations of the longrange interceptor sites of the A-135 Moscow ABM system. An intelligence estimate of the early 1980s, Soviet Ballistic Missile Defense, NIE 11-13-82, 13 October 1982, has some data on the early deployment of the A-135 system.
A map on p. 17 of the document shows silo construction activity at Skhodnya (the site is designated B-31, 16 silos), Vnukovo (B-22, 12 silos), Lytkarino (B-16, "Probable new ABM complex"), Sofrino (B-02, 12 silos). No activity in Korolev is shown, which probably means that construction there started later.
The map also shows silo construction next to the A-35 sites - 8 silos were built in Sergiyev Posad (next to the E-05 Galosh site with 8 launchers) and 8 silos - in Naro Fominsk (next to the E-24 Galosh site with 8 launchers). Two other A-350/Galosh sites identified on the map are Klin and Nudol. Unfortunately, this doesn't help answer the question about how many long-range interceptor (51T6) sites are there - 16 silos are not shown on the map. They could be next to the silos in Sergiyev Posad and Naro Fominsk, but could be in Klin and Nudol. I should certainyl look for maps with better resolution.
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Hello Mr.Podvig!
My name is bernd reuter and I post on keyhole google earth community as “rambo54”. It’s about the location of that long range ABM systems. I think with the help of your Website and with GE I could identify seven (of nine - uups of eight) Sites. I posted them on keyhole on 10/29/06 “Long range ABM Launcher Sites”.
Because I don’t know how to attach the kmz here, I will refer them directly, because I assume that they are maybe of interest for you and as a sort of “payback” for the help your fine work is providing for an interested public
Here they are:
SE
55° 3'36.33"N 37° 3'10.51"E (Kurilovo); fits to one of the globalsecurity pics
55°17'58.57"N 36°32'43.01"E (Kolodkino) ); fits to one of the globalsecurity pics
55°21'23.23"N 36°28'33.22"E; possible Gorgon Missile Site E-24 Naro-Fominsk-10
NE
56° 8'44.15"N 36°30'25.46"E (Nudol); fits to one of the globalsecurity pics
56°20'21.79"N 36°47'50.24"E (Klin)
NW
56°24'12.91"N 38°11'12.40"E; north of Sergiyev Posad
56°14'32.82"N 38°35'7.71"E; east of Sergiyev Posad¸ possible Gorgon Missile Site E05 Sergiyev Posad-15
So we got seven sites. Originally there were eight of them; each with 16 Galosh (128 msl )
I was unable to identify only one of the pics given by “globalsecurity.org”. If you download it, they identified this by “ru_abm_moscow_03”.
Whatsoever; the eighth location is still missing in that puzzle; but as you said earlier: we have to wait for High Res on GE. Best Regards.
Bernd: If you are looking for old A-35 launchers, there must be four pairs of sites (eight sites and 64 interceptors total) - in Zagorsk/Sergiyev Posad, Klin, Nudol, and Naro-Fominsk. It looks like you identified some of them. But it's hard to tell if these are indeed the sites without high-resolution data.
One thing is certain - the site in Kurilovo is not ABM - it's a control and communication center of the early-warning satellites.
Dear Mr.Podvig!
This is just to close up the information and not worthwhile to publish.
As you already noticed for "Kurilovo" "globalsecurity" obviously made some mistakes when selecting the pictures for those "Long range ABM Sites".
Meanwhile I was able to correlate the last missing picture identified as "ru_abm_moscow_03_s" on their website (if you download them). It is at "Klimovsk" south of Moscow and in between the outer and inner ABM Belt at 55°19'34.86"N 37°27'23.76"E.
Those coordinates are somewhat "unreliable" for a Long Range ABM Site at all. It is on High Res and for me it seems to be a sort of industrial facility.
So this is just to end up any "mystery" about that missing location of the globalsecurity pictures of "ABM Sites". Best Regards from Bernd Reuter
Hello Pavel!
Maybe this is still of interest for you and maybe also for your fine website.
Its a short Summary of investigations made in bbs.keyhole (GE forum) and contributed by several “posters” (e.g. most notable by “EugeneF”/”SOC”/”PS860” and of course by many informations and hints from yourself and the people from your website)
Topic: Long Range ABM Sites (A-35 and A-135); Moscow
- Definitely 5 ex-A35/A35M Sites (NE-1, NE-2, NW-1, NW-2, SW-2); two of them (NE-1, SW-2) reconstructed as A-135 (SH-11) Sites
- 2 more probably ex-A35/A35M Sites (SE-1, SW-1a); SW-1a serves meanwhile as Control and Communication Center for early warning satellites and is designated as “Serpuhov-15”. SE-1 serves most probably also as a satellite control center
- 1 more supposedly ex-A35/A35M Site (SE-2); probably started as Galosh Site and not completed
- 2 unreliable Sites claimed by “globalsecurity pics” as Long Range ABM Sites (SW-1b and “Klimovsk”)
Regarding that the A-35 system used a "triangulation" guidance method in the beginning, the best accuracy would be achieved if the Launch Nodes of a corresponding Launch Complex are supported from Sites located at the opposite sides of Moscow and by that as far as possible from each other.
This gives the following pattern (see GE):
NE
NE-1 56°24'12.91"N 38°11'12.40"E; north of Sergiyev Posad; ex-A-35 Galosh Base and now A-135 Gorgon Missile Site E05 Sergiyev Posad-15. Ex-Corresponding Site would be SW-1a (Kurilovo).
NE-2 (definitely abandoned) Zhuklino site at 56°14'32.82"N 38°35'7.71"E; east of Sergiyev Posad; definitely an ex-Galosh base. Ex-Corresponding Site would be SW-2 (Naro-Fominsk).
SE
SE-1 Gorognya site at 55° 9'11.66"N 38°23'4.32"E; most probably a satellite control center; maybe ex-Galosh site. Ex-Corresponding Site would be NW-1 (Klin).
SE-2 (Lopatinskiy?) at 55°22'0.08"N 38°44'32.93"E; maybe ex-Galosh site, or just intended and not completed as such. Ex-Corresponding Site would be NW-2 (Nudol).
SW
SW-1a Kurilovo Site at 55°3'36.33"N 37°3'10.51"E; fits to one of the globalsecurity pics; maybe ex-Galosh site, or just intended and not completed as such ; serves as Control and Communication Center for early warning satellites and designated as “Serpuhov-15”. Ex-Corresponding Site would be NE-1 (Sergiyev Posad-15).
SW-1b Kolodkino at 55°17'58.57"N 36°32'43.01"E; fits to two of the globalsecurity pics; it is most probably no missile site at all, but rather a command post or supply base
SW-2 Naro-Fominsk at 55°21'23.23"N 36°28'33.22"E; ex-Galosh Base and now A-135 Gorgon Missile Site E-24 Naro-Fominsk-10. Ex-Corresponding Site would be NE-2 (Zhuklino).
globalsecurity pics (“ru_abm_moscow_03_s” ) identify another “site” at “Klimovsk” which is almost for sure not a missile site at all. This “site” not even fits to the “outer SA-1 ring” pattern and is probably some kind of storage and supply base
NW
NW-2 Nudol Site at 56° 8'44.15"N 36°30'25.46"E; fits to one of the globalsecurity pics; definitely an ex-Galosh base. Ex-Corresponding Site would be SE-2 (Lopatinskiy?).
NW-1 Klin Site at 56°20'21.79"N 36°47'50.24"E; definitely an ex-Galosh base. Ex-Corresponding Site would be SE-1 (Gorognya).
Of course there is a great uncertainty about the numbers of missiles at each launch site.
The five “definitely” ex-Galosh Sites (NE-1 / NE-2 / NW-1 / NW-2 / SW-2) show a “rectangular structure” and on that satellite picture of “Nudol” Site, which is among that mentioned globalsecurity pictures, we can see that this structure consists of two Nodes with one tracking Radar and two missile guidance Radars at each Node. So the whole Complex at Nudol supported 16 Launch Pads.
If this can be assumed for the other four “definitely” Sites also, we count for 80 msl!
The three “probable” Sites (SW-1a / SE-1 / SE-2) have a different structure. It seems that they consists just of one Node at each Site. This would be 8x3=24 more missiles and a grand total of 104 msl which would be in exceed of the 100 granted by the ABM Treaty.
But maybe SE-2 was never completed for that task.
There are some more “suspicious sites” along that former “outer SA-1 Ring” which maybe had something to do with ex-Long Range Galosh Sites.
I just want to mention them because of that uncertainty about the overall numbers of sites/nodes/missiles which were finally realized; 4 Sites with 8 Nodes? 8 Sites with 8 Nodes? 16 Sites? In one Magazine (“Flieger Revue” issued 07/2003; article by Gerhard Kowalski) it was even stated that the number of realized Long Range Sites was finally 8 + 5.
The “suspicious sites” I found are near:
Novopetrovskoye at 55°58'54.67"N 36°34'23.84"E and at 56° 2'10.14"N 36°21'56.18"E
And near:
Sergiyev Posad at 56°28'33.85"N 38° 3'6.74"E and at 56°27'29.40"N 38° 3'29.76"E and at 56°25'40.69"N 38° 8'26.09"E
And near:
Chekhov at 55° 8'52.62"N 37°30'42.73"E
Best Regards from bernd reuter
Thank you, Bernd! I will need some time to sort through this, though.
Hi Pavel!
Due to some important findings of “SOC” in that bbs.keyhole forum here are two corrections to my last mail:
1./ The two Gorgon Sites are definitely at
SW-2 Naro-Fominsk at 55°21'23.23"N 36°28'33.22"E; and
NE-2 Zhuklino site at 56°14'32.82"N 38°35'7.71"E
The latter is definitely abandoned (see “http://photofile.ru/users/archvile/379598/7239518/”)
GE shows a unique characteristic for these two sites: Even on the available Low Res there is a „grey belt“ visible which is in between the old S-25 structure and the Galosh add on structure „on top“ of that S-25 Sites.
This belt represents the silo launch area, very similar as for the „Gazelle Sites“.
Obvioulsly those “belts” housed (only) eight Gorgons each! So there were just 16 at two Sites!
Regarding the fact that Zhuklino is abandoned this means that at least one of the Gorgon bases is deactivated or dismantled meanwhile!
Maybe this has something to do with the outcome of the late 90ties discussion about Megatonne warheads in the vicinity of Moscow. And maybe this led to a complete withdrawal of the Long Range Component of A-135? So A-135 probably was left as Short Range ABM-3 System, only - with conventional warheads at five sites.
2./ One of the probably intended South-East Galosh Sites has other coordinates. It is
SE-2 (Slobodishe), which is at 55°28'33.30"N 38°50'18.48"E. This place, on top of an old S-25 structure, obviously was never realized as ABM Site,
(much as
SE-1 Gorognya Site at 55° 9'11.66"N 38°23'4.32"E; most probably realized as satellite control center, and
SW-1a Kurilovo Site at 55° 3'36.33"N 37° 3'10.51"E; most probably realized as part of Control and Communication Center for early warning satellites “Serpuhov-15”).
Best Regards from bernd reuter
Google has now added the southwest GORGON site in high resolution at 55 21' 00.86" N 36 29' 00.00" E. It pretty much confirms the "grey strip" silo layout, identifying the site at 56 14' 35.56" N 38 34' 30.06" E as the northeast GORGON site.
The DOG HOUSE radar is also fully visible now as well, and it appears that the radar arrays themselves have been dismantled.
The Pechora Daryal is also now visible in high resolution.
They're making slow progress at Google insofar as higher resolution imagery in Russia is concerned, but at least it is progress!